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== File:Shahrzad Rafati - CEO of BroadbandTV.jpg ==
 
File:Shahrzad Rafati - CEO of BroadbandTV.jpg
 
Hello, I emailed further information about the rights to this image and haven't heard any response from permissions. The image is owned by Shahrzad herself (purchased from professional photographer), and has only been released to press with her consent. I was asked to upload this image to this page with strict permission from her.
 
How would I communicate the rights to this image properly? What would be the proper license?
 
Thank you for your help. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Reignfall|Reignfall]] ([[User talk:Reignfall|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Reignfall|contribs]]) 18:41, 30 September 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Unless the image is explicitly released under a free license, we can't use it on Wikipedia. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]])</sup> 12:41, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
:Thank you for your response, I've sent emails to the permissions@ email, but have yet to hear a response. Is it normal that it has been 2 weeks? Sorry if this is not information that you would know. &ndash; [[User:Reignfall|Reignfall]] <sup>([[User_talk:Reignfall|talk]])</sup> 9:18, 7 October 2013 (PST)
::Well, it can sometimes take a month for Permissions to get to a particular e-mail, since they do have quite a backlog. In this case, however, it seems that you are not the copyright holder. The copyright holder would have to e-mail Permissions. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]])</sup> 17:17, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== [[EDUN]] products ==
 
I am working on [[EDUN|this article]] and [[Ali Hewson|this one]], can anyone find some free picture in Flickr or somewhere of some of the products by the brand? Like jeans or T-shirts. Any help it's very appreciated. Thank you very much. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> [[User:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#000;"><small>'''Miss Bono'''</small></span>]][[User talk:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#c30000;"><small><sup> [hello, hello!]</sup></small></span>]]</span> 15:02, 1 October 2013 (UTC)
:Sadly, there don't seem to be any. But the good news is, clothing designs are not eligible for copyright, so anyone could take a photo of EDUN apparel and release that photo under a free license, without having to worry about whether it's a derivative work or not. All the best, &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]])</sup> 12:43, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 
::Oh that's dood. Anybody! If you have some Edun product please take a picture of it :D... Thanks Quadell. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> [[User:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#000;"><small>'''Miss Bono'''</small></span>]][[User talk:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#c30000;"><small><sup> [hello, hello!]</sup></small></span>]]</span> 15:56, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
:::You can also use the {{tlx|Image requested}} tag, but to be honest, it's not often all that effective. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]])</sup> 17:31, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 
::yes, [[User:Quadell|Quadell]], I've seen it doesn't work very often, we still are looking for pictures of Ali hewson, Arthur Fogel, Eve Hewson, and Morleigh Steinberg :( <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> [[User:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#000;"><small>'''Miss Bono'''</small></span>]][[User talk:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#c30000;"><small><sup> [hello, hello!]</sup></small></span>]]</span> 14:57, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Route marker for Golden Pipeline Heritage Trail ==
 
Would the design of the Golden Pipeline Heritage Trail route marker, [http://www.busaroundglobe.com/globe/country/australia_globe/images/09-au-359-18.jpg shown in a photo here], be public domain in the US (per {{tlx|PD-ineligible-USonly}}), and would it be okay to upload a clean version of the route marker (drawn in Inkscape or similar), applying that template? - [[User:Evad37|Evad37]] ([[User talk:Evad37|talk]]) 08:08, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
:Similarly, would it make any difference if the arrow were excluded from the above design (which would be the very likely case for our intended usage) -- [[User:Nbound|Nbound]] ([[User talk:Nbound|talk]]) 08:35, 2 October 2013 (UTC)
::In my opinion, this route marker would be ineligible for copyright in the U.S., with or without the arrow. But that's just my opinion. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]])</sup> 12:46, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Concern about [[:File:Orphan by Uros Predic (1888).jpg]] ==
 
Is the painting in the public domain? I just want to know. [[User:Image2012|Image2012]] ([[User talk:Image2012|talk]]) 11:31, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
:The painting is considered to be in the public domain in the U.S. However, most European countries will not consider the photograph to be in the public domain until 2024. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]])</sup> 12:49, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
::Is it in the public domain in its country of origin, Serbia? [[User:Image2012|Image2012]] ([[User talk:Image2012|talk]]) 13:00, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
:::That is a difficult question (all copyright questions are difficult). Here's my attempt at an answer. The present law in Serbia says copyright duration is 70 years after the death of the creator. Previous Yugoslav law was 50 years. Before that... ? And what were the transitional arrangements? Here, on Wikipedia, to be public domain in the US is sufficient so that is fine because it was published before 1923 (presumably). So, the fair use claim is not needed and probably should be removed. On Commons, US and Serbian law both matter and if there is doubt on Commons the image would be deleted. In Serbia, it is possible the actual photographic copy is also in copyright but again that is not so in the US. [[User:Thincat|Thincat]] ([[User talk:Thincat|talk]]) 16:23, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Maybe free album covers ==
 
I've searched through the album covers and found some that can potentially not exceed the threshold of originality. Being not sure of all of them, I ask experts here. The albums are the following:
* [[:File:Black Sabbath - Master of Reality.png]]
* [[:File:04 (Six By Seven album cover art).jpg]]
* [[:File:Things we make6x7.jpg]]
* [[:File:Artistscannibalspoets6x7.jpg]]
* [[:File:SYMPTOMSALBUMCOVER.jpg]]
* [[:File:1 (Pole album - cover art).jpg]]
* [[:File:1 fannie may buster.jpg]]
* [[:File:1 Lola's Theme.jpg]]
* [[:File:1 see you in september.jpg]]
* [[:File:1 ya ya dorsey.jpg]]
* [[:File:100doll cube.jpg]]
* [[:File:1000 dreams.jpg]]
* [[:File:10cc les nouveau riches.jpeg]]
* [[:File:10cc Power of love.jpeg]]
* [[:File:110%JessieWaresong.jpg]]
* [[:File:12" Single "Nunk" Warp 9.jpg]]
* [[:File:14thcenturysky.jpg]]
* [[:File:Live in Tokyo 2010.jpg]]
* [[:File:Extracts from Music for White Cube, London 1997.jpg]]
* [[:File:JamesWahWah.jpg]]
--[[User:Nonexyst|'''ɴ'''õɴəχүsƚ]] 20:53, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
:One question to bring up early is that the UK (and others) has a very low threshold of originality, so something that would be PD in the US may well not be if it's from another country, and I note that (for example) [[Six by Seven]] is a British group. [[User:Chris857|Chris857]] ([[User talk:Chris857|talk]]) 23:51, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
:: Many groups have had different US and UK covers. US TOO is useful for us on the English Wikipedia, as PD in the US means you don't have to worry about fair use rules. Non-US TOO would only matter if you were moving them to Commons, where they worry about the source nation copyright as well as the US copyright.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 00:12, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
::{{ec}} We can still use {{tl|PD-text}} for these since we are talking about how WP's servers would handle them. I do note that these PD-text/PD-textlogo statement link to [[WP:PD#Fonts]] that explain that when outside the US these images may ''not'' have free use (Commons does the same though I think they have a more specific tag for US PD-ness). We do have disclaimers that warn the reuser that they need to pay attention to copyright laws in their country if they intend to reuse the images, so we can still consider these free.--[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 00:14, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== ENVIRON ==
 
I received the following notification:
 
The Wikipedia page File:ENVIRON Corporate Headquarters Arlington
Virginia.jpg has been changed on 28 September 2013 by Sfan00 IMG, see
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ENVIRON_Corporate_Headquarters_Arlington_Virginia.jpg
for the current revision.
 
See
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=File:ENVIRON_Corporate_Headquarters_Arlington_Virginia.jpg&diff=next&oldid=574755161
to view this change.
 
it stated: If you did not create it entirely yourself, please ask the person who created the file to take one of the two steps listed above, or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org.
 
I forwarded to the permissions-en@wikimedia.org an email from the owner giving consent to use the image and for it to be free media within wiki, prior to the deadline and it was still deleted from the imagery gallery.
 
I need to know what to do next, will it be reinstated, or do I need to reupload the image. Who monitors the permissions email as I followed the provided instructions but it was still deleted?
 
Please let me know what I need to do next. Thank you.
[[User:Caswivel|Caswivel]] ([[User talk:Caswivel|talk]]) 16:07, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 
:The problem was that you uploaded the file clearly claiming that someone else owns the copyright (even if they are planning on a free license release). which flags a possible copyvio. You did part of the right steps to avoid that in emailing permissions to show that consent, but there was a followup step missing in that the image page needed to be edited to include that that permission was pending. I have restored the image and added the appropriate tag (and removed the speedy deletion tag); note that OTRS is a bit backed up and may take some time to process, but should be within the week. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:29, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
:Note also that you did not follow all the instructions, in that the copyright owner must contact permissions '''''directly''''': we cannot accept what purports to be a forwarded e-mail from a third party. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] &#x007C; [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 18:27, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 
Thank you for the clarification, I thought that I did follow the correct steps because I was told "or if the owner of the file has already given their permission to you via email, please forward that email to permissions-en@wikimedia.org." which is what I did. For future clarification on imagery if an image is provided for free use what is the best steps and necessary items needed for upload. Thank you so much, as I continue to do research and reading through wiki it seems like there are multiple answers and steps and everyone is doing it slightly differently but I want to make sure I don't run into future problems. Greatly appreciate it!
[[User:Caswivel|Caswivel]] ([[User talk:Caswivel|talk]]) 22:25, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
:I don't think there is a hard rule that the copyright holder must send the email. See [[Wikipedia:Requesting_copyright_permission#When_permission_is_confirmed]] The instructions Caswivel received above say to forward an email is all right. I remember having acceptance of an email I simply forwarded (I sent it with full email headers not knowing whether this was helpful). I think it may depend partly on the individual handling the request and on whether there may be some reason to doubt that the email is indeed genuine. @{{U|Orangemike}}, can you indicate a policy that the permission must have been sent directly by the copyright holder? If you have received a letter giving permission, surely you can email a scan of the letter. No? [[User:Thincat|Thincat]] ([[User talk:Thincat|talk]]) 09:04, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
::I don't work OTRS myself; but in this era of spoofery, I am paranoid about such matters; and allege scans, in the age of Photoshop, are completely untrustworthy. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] &#x007C; [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 12:36, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Are [[ISBN]] numbers in the public domain? ==
 
In other words, are there any applicable restrictions on their use in Wikipedia? Thanks! [[User:Ocaasi|Ocaasi]]<sup> [[User talk:Ocaasi|t ]]&#124;[[Special:Contributions/Ocaasi| c]]</sup> 23:31, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
:I cannot envision that, being raw data, that they are anything else but uncopyrightable/PD. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 23:38, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
::<humor>Unless the ISBN is an [[illegal number]].</humor> I guess it might depend on what you would do with it, but I'm reasonably sure that anything doing a correlation of "ISBN"<-->"publication info of a book" is merely a set of facts, and facts are not copyrightable. Also, ISBNs are utilitarian, so are probably not copyrightable there as well. [[User:Chris857|Chris857]] ([[User talk:Chris857|talk]]) 00:13, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
: http://williampatry.blogspot.com/2005/10/judge-alito-and-copyright.html is a case about part numbers that would imply that ISBNs are uncopyrightable short phrases. Practically speaking, unlike the part numbers under question or Dewey Decimal Numbers, ISBNs have been understood to be universal property, that anyone can and should use a given ISBN for identifying a specific edition of a book.--[[User:Prosfilaes|Prosfilaes]] ([[User talk:Prosfilaes|talk]]) 02:52, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== gregory siff wikipedia ==
 
I added the appropriate tag i thought for the photo but wikipedia keeps saying i have not. i also emailed proof of usage for the photo from its owner. Please help!!!
 
{{art things <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Artthings|Artthings]] ([[User talk:Artthings|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Artthings|contribs]]) 03:17, 9 October 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
:Assuming you mean [[:File:Greg_Siff_-_"Beauty_Is_Boring"_Portrait_by_Robin_Black.jpg]], the copyright owner needs to give permission for ''all'' usages incl. usages off-Wiki and commercial usage. Unfortunately a restricted permission is not acceptable under Wiki-policies. See [[Wikipedia:Requesting copyright permission]] for more info and a link to an example consent letter. [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 09:41, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 
I have since decided on using a free work. I would like the photo mentioned above to be deleted from Wikipedia now. Is this possible? Thanks
 
{{artthings <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Artthings|Artthings]] ([[User talk:Artthings|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Artthings|contribs]]) 05:51, 16 October 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
== Question about encyclopedia dramatica's license ==
 
Does encyclopedia dramatica's license allow copying text of the articles into Wikipedia? [[User:Qnyx77|Qnyx77]] ([[User talk:Qnyx77|talk]]) 07:32, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
:It looks as if the answer in "no"[https://encyclopediadramatica.es/Encyclopedia_Dramatica:Copyright] unless the individual contributor has specifically allowed it or the material has a free licence for some other reason. [[User:Thincat|Thincat]] ([[User talk:Thincat|talk]]) 08:43, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
::Or unless the copied text is a legitimate ''short'' quotation with proper usage and attribution according to our guidelines (just stating the obvious to be complete). [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 08:50, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Yes, that's good to say as well. [[User:Thincat|Thincat]] ([[User talk:Thincat|talk]]) 10:59, 9 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Cambodian passport stamp copyright ==
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Cambodia_bavet_passport_stamp.jpg
 
This is licensed under CC because it was pulled from Flickr. But according to this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Visa_cambodia_Manfred_Werner.jpg , " as far as Cambodian stamps are reproduced, they each form a Decision / certificate of a Cambodian authority, which is not protected by copyright according to Article 10 (b) of the Cambodian Copyright Law".
 
So should the other one be converted to PD? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.123.167.84|65.123.167.84]] ([[User talk:65.123.167.84|talk]]) 15:35, 9 October 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
 
:Both images are actually in the public domain. All the best, &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]])</sup> 15:54, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 
Are they? Because to me it looks like the one is marked with a Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic license. I think both of them should be public domain, but I don't really feel like I have the authority to alter copyright status (nor do I really know how to do so). [[Special:Contributions/65.123.167.84|65.123.167.84]] ([[User talk:65.123.167.84|talk]]) 19:36, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 
:The CC license claim was made in good faith, but I don't believe it's accurate. I have modified the image description at [[:File:Cambodia bavet passport stamp.jpg]]. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]])</sup> 20:40, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
::There is also the passport to consider. Passports issued by some countries are PD whereas passports issued by other countries are copyrighted. What is the copyright status of this passport? Unless the issuing country, which is unidentified, doesn't protect its passports, then the image may need to be deleted. --[[User:Stefan2|Stefan2]] ([[User talk:Stefan2|talk]]) 21:05, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Re: [[:File:Davie's tree in 1850.PNG]] ==
 
Dear friends,
 
I made a huge mistake. Yesterday I uploaded this scanned file which was obtained from "J.P.Lewis. "The captivity of Major Davie". ''Journal of the Royal Asiatic Society of Ceylon''. 1923;XXIX (76).p 185" I was under the impression that the image was actually drawn by J.K.L Vandort in 1850. But when going through the image list of the journal I saw that it is attributed to "JPL -1914, after a pencil sketch by J.K.L Vandort in 1850". it seems the true author was J.P Lewis the author of the journal article. I can't find J.P. Lewis's year of death. What should i do? Shall i tag it for speedy deletion?
Sorry for the negligence from my part. I am ashamed.
 
Thanks in advance. [[User:Nishadhi|Nishadhi]] ([[User talk:Nishadhi|talk]]) 05:59, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 
:Unfortunately i can't give you the complete answer (hopefully someone else can), but a few points: Via Google i found a publication of a J.P. Lewis in the "JOURNAL OF THE DUTCH BURGHER UNION OF CEYLON" dated 1928 (so + 70 will be a very close call, if that's the same "Lewis"). Also, you'll need an additional US-copyright tag to cover copyright both in the US and the source country ("PD-US-no notice" probably). This is a Commons image by the way, so you would have to request deletion on Commons. [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 07:42, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 
::Thanks. I'll raise the question in commons village pump as well. It seems he has passed away before July 1944. Here, [http://www.dutchburgherunion.org/journals/vol_31_40/JDBU%20Vol%2034%20No%201%20-%201944(1).pdf] page 6 - last paragraph. [[User:Nishadhi|Nishadhi]] ([[User talk:Nishadhi|talk]]) 08:22, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 
:::{{replyto|GermanJoe}}Found. Hon. John Penry Lewis [http://books.google.lk/books?id=eUF_rS8FEoIC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=John+Penry+Lewis+ceylon&source=bl&ots=IikElL9Vjk&sig=LkYC9-99dp3ZgKrEj9QK2whmJJE&hl=en&sa=X&ei=t4NWUsimJcbDrAfTwIH4Cw&ved=0CEsQ6AEwBA#v=onepage&q=John%20Penry%20Lewis%20ceylon&f=false] (1854 to 1923)[http://archive.org/details/cu31924007648516] see under author. Is it OK to keep the image? Thanks. [[User:Nishadhi|Nishadhi]] ([[User talk:Nishadhi|talk]]) 10:50, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
::::Should be OK (both UK and Sri Lanka have PD+70). However, you should add the Commons template "PD-US-no notice" to establish US-copyright and add the year of death to the author information. [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 11:17, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::Thanks. Done. [[User:Nishadhi|Nishadhi]] ([[User talk:Nishadhi|talk]]) 11:32, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
:You were (and are) acting with the best of intentions and there has been nothing at all to be ashamed of or anything like that. I'm glad it seems to be sorting out OK. Don't be upset by this. WE all make mistakes (but not everyone owns up to it!). [[User:Thincat|Thincat]] ([[User talk:Thincat|talk]]) 12:49, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
:A friendly Commons user has replaced the templates with more modern versions (which also provide a bit more information), but the image itself is fine. No worries. [[User:GermanJoe|GermanJoe]] ([[User talk:GermanJoe|talk]]) 13:14, 10 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Copyright violation ==
 
To Whom It May Concern,
 
Two images were removed from [[Professional Picture Framers Association]] page.
 
-[[File:PPFA Guidelines for Framing Textiles and Needlework.jpg]]
 
The reason was: m (Removing "2012-2013_PRINT_Competition_Piece.jpg", it has been deleted from Commons by Edgar181 because: Copyright violation, found elsewhere on the web and unlikely to be own work: (permission must...)
- [[File:PPFA logo.jpg]]
 
The PPFA Board would be happy to sign a permission needed to publish both publication image and the logo. Could you please let me know what should we do in order to have these two photos back? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
 
Thanks.
[[User:Mbboston|Mbboston]] ([[User talk:Mbboston|talk]]) 15:21, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
:[[WP:PERMIT]] has the procedure to follow to get a message to the [[WP:OTRS|OTRS]] team to show that you are authorised to release this under a free license. The logo could be used under fair use, but I don't know about the other image. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 20:54, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
::The PPFA logo (based on the website linked from the article) likely fails the Threshold of Originality, and thus is uncopyrightable and would be considered a free image, so that shouldn't even be a problem. (I would presume that the commons deletion was based on misclaimed ownership). --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 20:57, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
:::Thank you!I hope I did this right this time [[:File:Professional_Picture_Framers_Association_Logo.jpg]] <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Mbboston|Mbboston]] ([[User talk:Mbboston|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mbboston|contribs]]) 02:30, 12 October 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
::::(I've colon-linked the image above so it doesn't so). Everything is good, though I did change the license to PD-textlogo on Commons, since that's more accurate, but otherwise no problems. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 00:28, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== YouTube BBC video links and copyrights ==
 
Is it allowed to link to a YouTube documentary from BBC, not part of the official channel? This article explains how BBC and YouTube deals with copyright http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/6411017.stm Since they can enforce any copyright claim at YouTube, videos which are accessible can be considered tolerated by the BBC, hence no active copyright infrigement. [[User:Prokaryotes|Prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 20:25, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
:The videos are still copyright infringements, even if the copyright holder chooses not to take any action on it. I'd also question if a six year old article is current policy with the development of iPlayer etc. [[User:Nthep|NtheP]] ([[User talk:Nthep|talk]]) 20:55, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
:: But what if some users have the right to publish material? Is there a Wikipedia rule which clarifies on linking to videos? What exasctly is allowed what is not? Thanks. [[User:Prokaryotes|Prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 00:14, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
::: Basically, we generally have to assume that any video put up to youtube is a copyright violation (even if fair use) unless we have reasonable strong assurance that the uploader is the copyright holder of the entire work. So only videos posted by the BBC using BBC footage could be linked to. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 00:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
:::: Ok, but how about for instance this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nzmpWR6JUZQ which appears to be from the author. The content is educational, documentary purpose, would this be allowed? [[User:Prokaryotes|Prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 01:09, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
::::: The questin is how reasonable that is? It looks like an encoding of a broadcasted show, which would question whether the guy owns the copyright even if he wrote most of it. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:15, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::: The encoding is based on the YouTube video standard from 2008, which didn't supported HD or videos longer than 10 mins for standard users. The user profile image is one of the scientist from the documentary, why would anyone else use this profile image. Considering that this video is the only upload on YT and it hasn't been reported for a copyright infrigement within 5 years hints that the copyright holder wants this video online. [[User:Prokaryotes|Prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 01:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
::::::: Just because he's in it doesn't necessarily make him the copyright owner (the fade out at the end to me is what trips the "part of a broadcast" flag). And just because it hadn't been taken down at any time doesn't mean anything to us: if he doesn't own the work, it's a copyvio that we cannot link to. You *coughcough* could still cite the original show that the documentary appeared in, with airdate, etc, but you just won't have a URL parameters filled in. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 01:30, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::::: @Masem, there is no fade out, this is a 2 part movie with 20 something minutes length. The content is on science and education. Is there a rule in Wikipedia which gives some more guidance for judging vidoe, when authorship is not clear or is this just opinion? [[User:Prokaryotes|Prokaryotes]] ([[User talk:Prokaryotes|talk]]) 01:45, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
::::::::: The only advice we can give is that we err on the side of caution that material published on sites like youtube are assumed to '''not''' be by the copyright owner, and require reasonably good proof that one does own the copyright on the uploaded material, irregardless if the use of material would otherwise be seem to be fine under US fair use laws. (In this case, assuming that is the full documentary, that's already a strike against fair use, since it's using the whole work).
::::::::: Here's a better question: why do you need to link it? I would believe that you are trying to cite the video (fair enough), so as long as you can validate that it was published and by whom, you can use a citation template that ''does not'' link to the video but refers to it. A reader that wishes to then see that video would have to search for it on their own, but that's no different expectation from most other print and off-line sources. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 16:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== How many non-free pictures... ==
 
With fair use can be used in one article? <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> [[User:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#000;"><small>'''Miss Bono'''</small></span>]][[User talk:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#c30000;"><small><sup> [hello, hello!]</sup></small></span>]]</span> 15:58, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
*There's no hard limit; it depends on how many are needed for discussion. Some featured articles on musicians have something like 5 non-free files (including music samples). I am generally a lot thriftier with my non-free content, though in one article ([[Chrisye]]) I've used 3 non-free files. Some articles on artistic movements (particularly those after the 50s) have ten or more non-free images. Most articles, however, get by with no non-free images (or one at most). Of articles I've written (random examples), ''[[Pengkhianatan G30S/PKI]]'' uses only one, and [[Sudirman]] does not use any (despite being my longest to date).&nbsp;—&nbsp;[[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco 1492]] ([[User talk:Crisco 1492|talk]]) 16:03, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much, [[User:Crisco 1492|Crisco]] --<span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> [[User:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#000;"><small>'''Miss Bono'''</small></span>]][[User talk:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#c30000;"><small><sup> [hello, hello!]</sup></small></span>]]</span> 14:58, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== want to add an image to a page but have no clue ==
 
I created a page about [[Ruth Frances Long]] and would like to add her photo - she has one on her web page [http://www.rflong.com/about/] or her twitter account [https://si0.twimg.com/profile_images/378800000015107770/23005b508b466a161ea34bc68f747d0c.jpeg] and I don't know if I can use either on her Wikipedia entry or not. I probably have one I took of her at a convention but it wouldn't be as nice.. so I was hoping to use one of these if possible. How do I go about something like this? I know nothing about photos and the related copyrights...--[[User:Antiqueight|<b><font color="green">Antiqueight</font></b>]] [[User talk:Antiqueight|<sup><small>confer</small></sup>]] 21:51, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
:Well, sorry to tell you that neither of the images you suggest can be uploaded here unless you can get the copyright holder to verify they are prepared to let the image be [[freely licenced]] which means anyone can use it for anything including modifications and commercial use. Her website has a clear copyright notice and twitter accounts don't often show the copyright status of images, so we assume they are copyright. Your own image can be freely licenced and while it may not be as good an image the possibility of getting a copyright holder to agree can be quite low but you can try. They would need to follow the procedure found at [[WP:CONSENT]]. You may find it useful to read my [[User:Ww2censor/IfD|image copyright information page]] to better understand some of the copyright issues you face. Good luck. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] ([[User talk:Ww2censor|talk]]) 22:08, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
::I was afraid of that but thanks for the links - I'll go read and see what I can come up with :-)--[[User:Antiqueight|<b><font color="green">Antiqueight</font></b>]] [[User talk:Antiqueight|<sup><small>confer</small></sup>]] 22:10, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
:::The page [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:File_Upload_Wizard here] is very easy to use. Put your image on your desktop or some other convenient place, then choose "Click here to start the upload form." On the next page, fill in all the blanks, upload your file, and then choose "This is a free work." Finally, choose on the succeeding page "This file is entirely my own work," and tell how and why you took the photo. Leave the Creative Commons attribution the way it is. Fill in your real name or your WP name if you want attribution. Don't bother to upload to Commons because it involves an extra step and is not as user-friendly. At the end of all this you will be greeted by a page that actually gives you a model line for you to copy and insert into any WP article, on the edit page. Very simple. [[User:GeorgeLouis|GeorgeLouis]] ([[User talk:GeorgeLouis|talk]]) 05:56, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
::::Thank you!--[[User:Antiqueight|<b><font color="green">Antiqueight</font></b>]] [[User talk:Antiqueight|<sup><small>confer</small></sup>]] 15:12, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Artwork ==
 
If you are an 'artist for hire' in the US the client owns the oriniginal artwork and can reproduce as they see fit . However I was wondering is there another way I can allow them to reprint etc using my art without having the original ? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.23.81.159|86.23.81.159]] ([[User talk:86.23.81.159|talk]]) 08:21, 15 October 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Well if you are the artist you can grant the license that you want, but if you or a potential copier do not have the original to copy it may be a bit hard to actually do something that you have given the right for. So you can keep original, give the customer a copy, and allow copying. If you do not want the client to have exclusive rights, you will have to organise a written contract to say otherwise. [[User:Graeme Bartlett|Graeme Bartlett]] ([[User talk:Graeme Bartlett|talk]]) 08:50, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
::We cannot actually give you any legal advise, just some general guidance, so you should consult an attorney who specialises in [[intellectual property]]. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] ([[User talk:Ww2censor|talk]]) 09:20, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Copyrighted videos and sounds ==
 
Why is that one can upload a sample of a song for an article and cannot upload a sample of a music video for the same song? Just curiosity-- not that I want to do that--. <span style="font-family:'Arial',cursive"> [[User:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#000;"><small>'''Miss Bono'''</small></span>]][[User talk:Miss Bono|<span style="color:#c30000;"><small><sup> [hello, hello!]</sup></small></span>]]</span> 15:14, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
:What it all really comes down to is whether fair use materials significantly improve the understanding of the reader, especially when details of the non-free material ''itself'' are discussed in detail. So, (and this may just be my opinion) if a music video is discussed in depth, and I'm thinking on the order of how paintings and the like are discussed, or a specific element from the music video, then a screenshot or short video may be appropriate. '''PS:''' Another thought about a sample (as opposed to a screenshot) of a music video, is that something essential must be present in the video that a mere screenshot cannot express. [[User:Chris857|Chris857]] ([[User talk:Chris857|talk]]) 15:28, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Problem to upload pictures ==
Hi guys!!! I just uploaded Mongolian Air Force's MiG-21's picture. ( My friend taked that picture. I told u guys. )
If there has a problem just tell me. I'm just uploading that pictures to [[Mongolian Air Force]]. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mongolian_Air_Force%27s_MiG-21.jpg
:Back in August you asked the very same questions about the same images and can read it again at: [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2013/August#Problem to upload pictures]]. Your friend will have to verify his permission by following the procedure found at [[WP:CONSENT]] as you were previously told. Good luck. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] ([[User talk:Ww2censor|talk]]) 09:59, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
He just sent email to commons. [[User:Buuhai|Buuhai]] ([[User talk:Buuhai|talk]]) 11:51, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 
==Question in regards to copyright==
 
Is it possible to upload a picture of art that was purchased at an auction by a private collector? For instance these 2 pictures here were paintings done by Willis O'Brien back in 1960 for a cancelled project.
http://www.icollector.com/Willis-O-Brien-concept-art-of-Kong-for-King-Kong-vs-Frankenstein_i11537029 and http://www.icollector.com/Willis-O-Brien-concept-art-of-Frankenstein-s-Creation-for-King-Kong-vs-Frankenstein_i11537031
 
All his concept paintings went up for auction a few years ago. Is it possible to upload these pictures to an article without violating any sort of copyright?[[User:Giantdevilfish|Giantdevilfish]] ([[User talk:Giantdevilfish|talk]]) 16:25, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
:A few questions: is it [[Willis H. O'Brien]]? Do you know when it was first published according to [[WP:PD#Artworks]]? If it's first publishing was the creation of copies at this auction in 2011, then [[:File:PD-US table.svg]] tells us that it becomes PD 70 years pma, or 1962+70=2032. If we are a bit more unlucky, it might take until 2047. So, unless some other circumstances exist that someone else can find, it would appear that copyright will last a while longer. [[User:Chris857|Chris857]] ([[User talk:Chris857|talk]]) 16:38, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 
::Yes it was [[Willis H. O'Brien]]. It was for a 1960 project called ''King Kong vs Frankenstein''. The picture of the Frankenstein giant was first published in black and white in a early 1990s book called ''Willis O'Brien Special Effects Genius'' by Steve Archer. Here is a scan from that book http://www.roberthood.net/daikaiju-antho/unnatural_history/images/kingkongvsfrankenstein2lb9.png But it was published in black and white. The color painting (alongside the King Kong one) made its first appearance at that auction.[[User:Giantdevilfish|Giantdevilfish]] ([[User talk:Giantdevilfish|talk]]) 16:54, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 
:::Is this not essentially the same problem you asked about in 2010 about another sketch of O'Brien's showing the scale between King Kong and a human? Did you ever [[Wikipedia:Media copyright questions/Archive/2010/June#Question|resolve that issue]] which concerned [http://web.archive.org/web/20070820043250/http://www2.netdoor.com/~campbab/kong/kkfrank.jpg this image] because the problem is virtually the same. What's the difference this time other than the publication you found it in is different? BTW, just to remind you that we had two discussion on my talk page about the same issue that are archived [[User talk:Ww2censor/Archive23#Picture question|here]] and [[User talk:Ww2censor/Archive21#Picture Question|here]]. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] ([[User talk:Ww2censor|talk]]) 21:40, 16 October 2013 (UTC)
 
::::The difference is, is that the previous question was in regards to a painting that appeared scanned in a book. This one is the actual paintings themselves that have been sold at an auction rather than a scan. Since the paintings do not belong to the Willis O'Brien estate anymore and are now owned by a private collector I believe the question is different here. Who would own any sort of copyright on these paintings?
 
::::And BTW you really do have an amazing memory. You actually remember a question someone asked you over 3 years ago?!! I completely forgot about that and I don't do nearly as many edits as you do. Heck I don't even remember what I did yesterday. I wish I had your memory skills.;-) [[User:Giantdevilfish|Giantdevilfish]] ([[User talk:Giantdevilfish|talk]]) 15:36, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::Well, the memory is still pretty good for now. I recalled something similar to this, so searched for the discussions. Anyway, the issue is actually essentially rather similar. Unless you can prove that the painting were sold with their copyright, ownership does not confer any rights to the person in whose possession it is. The copyright belongs to the author or his heirs. IIRC, his wife is deceased without any children so finding who now hold the copyright will likely be rather tricky. As Chris857 says it may be 2032 or even 2047 before this falls into the public domain. Sorry to not give you better news. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] ([[User talk:Ww2censor|talk]]) 19:13, 17 October 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::Is it possible that one could get around any sort of copyright? For instance can it just be tagged that its a scan of a one of a kind painting and that this will not infringe on any copyright (which more than likely doesn't even exist. I don't believe O'Brien even copyrighted these paintings). And perhaps tag it as fair use with the captions ''The image linked here is claimed to be used under fair use as: it is of much lower resolution than the original (copies made from it will be of very inferior quality) and the photo is only being used for informational purposes.'' Wouldn't that be enough. If any sort of copyright holder (if any exist) complain then the pictures could simply be removed?[[User:Giantdevilfish|Giantdevilfish]] ([[User talk:Giantdevilfish|talk]]) 02:07, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::::You cannot just skirt around copyright and if you want to make a claim under our non-free policy, the image must comply with all [[WP:NFCC|10 non-free policy requirements]] and the one you will most likely run into is #8 that requires sourced critical commentary about the image itself, which, if it was in an article about the painting, would be relatively easy but in a biography is not so to justify. [[User:Ww2censor|ww2censor]] ([[User talk:Ww2censor|talk]]) 08:34, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 
::::::::: Actually I wanted to upload the painting to the [[King Kong vs Godzilla]] page to illustrate the first paragraph under '''Production'''. That paragraph explains the origin of the film and the painting would be the perfect illustrative point, as it shows an actual painting from that planned production. If it wasn't for ''King Kong vs Frankenstein'' there never would have been a ''King Kong vs Godzilla''. If this could work I would rather use this painting here http://oi43.tinypic.com/2nsnybl.jpg or better yet the original scan in color http://oi39.tinypic.com/2qs3o04.jpg .[[User:Giantdevilfish|Giantdevilfish]] ([[User talk:Giantdevilfish|talk]]) 15:20, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
:::::::::Sadly, I don't see how you can get around the fair-use limitations. The illo may be :"perfect" from your point of view, but mere utility is no plea against a lawsuit, since it is not vital to the article. Somebody is bound to have inherited or purchased O'Brien's intellectual property rights; and they could very easily be a litigious Hollywood person with an aggressive attitude towards collecting their due. --[[User:Orangemike|<font color="darkorange">Orange Mike</font>]] &#x007C; [[User talk:Orangemike|<font color="orange">Talk</font>]] 15:31, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 
:::::::::::::But if that happened (which more than likely never will as these pictures have appeared in numerous books through the years (as far back as ''Famous Monsters of Filmland'' in the early 1960s and without credit, and are all over the web (Just do a google image search on "King Kong vs Frankenstein") couldn't the offending upload simply be removed?[[User:Giantdevilfish|Giantdevilfish]] ([[User talk:Giantdevilfish|talk]]) 16:01, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Promotional images ==
 
Hello<b/>
My question is regarding the use and upload of promotional photos. I was planning to upload [http://www.thedurutticolumn.com/images/the_durutti_column_promo_photo_350.jpg a promotional photo of The Durutti Column], taken in 1998, as the main image of the article. What should I choose as "non-free use rationale?" (Basicly, I can say that I don't how to upload it as it does not seem to really fit in any presented option.) Besides this, the band is still active and I don't know whether it'd be a problem or not. Thank you. [[User:Myxomatosis57|Myxomatosis57]] ([[User talk:Myxomatosis57|talk]]) 18:34, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 
:A question to ask, as it's not clear - is that photo of the current band members? If they are still a group of those musicians, then per our [[WP:NFCC|non-free content requirements]], we'd not be able to use a non-free image since it should be possible to take a free photo of the band performing otherwise. --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:40, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 
::Yes, it is a photo of current members. However, if the band was fully disbanded, would the photograph be eligible for use in Wikipedia? (And if so, with which non-free use rationale should it be uploaded with?) [[User:Myxomatosis57|Myxomatosis57]] ([[User talk:Myxomatosis57|talk]]) 19:30, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
 
:::This has been [[User:Quadell/non-free photos of bands|an open question]] for ''years''. Have we ever come to a consensus about this? &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]])</sup> 13:04, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== concern about images ==
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Format
 
http://www.seagate.com/tech-insights/advanced-format-4k-sector-hard-drives-master-ti/
 
Many images in common. On wiki Dougolsen marks the images as his own work. That can only be true in two cases, if he authored the seagate paper and created the images himself, or if seagate is using those images. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/67.182.103.206|67.182.103.206]] ([[User talk:67.182.103.206|talk]]) 18:19, 19 October 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:As these are on commons, I've put them up for possible copyvio there. I do note they can be replaced with free versions (as it is just data, just needs to be redrawn by a WP editor to put out as free.) --[[User:Masem|M<font size="-3">ASEM</font>]] ([[User Talk:Masem|t]]) 18:50, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Possibly free image ==
 
Although this, [[:File:Wii U Game Banner.png]], was uploaded under a claim of fair use, I think it might actually be copyright ineligible (although it is trademarked). The Wii U logo itself is in Commons, so I don't see how sticking it inside a couple of shaded curves would add that much more original authorship. It's best to be cautious about this, but is the rationale actually unnecessary? '''[[User:DarkToonLink|<font color="crimson">Dark</font>]][[User talk:DarkToonLink|<font color="blue">Toon</font>]][[Special:Contributions/DarkToonLink|<font color="green">Link</font>]]''' 12:08, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
:I am not sure that this fails to meet the threshold of originality. I would consider the image copyrighted, just in case. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]])</sup> 15:28, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== [[:File:Tile logo.png]] ==
 
Would the logo for [[Tile (software)]], located at [[:File:Tile logo.png]], fail to meet the [[threshold of originality]] and therefore be in the public domain? [[User:Michaelzeng7|Michaelzeng7]] ([[User talk:Michaelzeng7|talk]]) 14:21, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
:I do not believe that a U.S. court would rule that this image contains creative content that can be protected by copyright. At least in the U.S., I think this can safely be considered PD. &ndash; [[User:Quadell|Quadell]] <sup>([[User_talk:Quadell|talk]])</sup> 15:30, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
::Cool. I have converted the file's description page to PD-textlogo and added a move to commons tag. [[User:Michaelzeng7|Michaelzeng7]] ([[User talk:Michaelzeng7|talk]]) 21:41, 20 October 2013 (UTC)
 
== Rreagan007/television network logos ==
 
This weekend, {{user|Rreagan007}} created the image [[:File:Broadcast-network-logos.jpg]] and placed it on Commons under PD-textlogo licensing and added it to the articles [[List of United States over-the-air television networks]], [[Broadcast network]] and [[Television network]]. On the first I reverted the image under the argument that the article is much more than about the big American networks and added no critical commentary, and removed it from the third because the article should have a world view, not just American-centric.
 
Rreagan007 reverted my edit under the claim that [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_United_States_over-the-air_television_networks&oldid=578071670 "no critical commentary necessary, they are non-copyrighted text logos"], which I have reverted because I respectfully disagree with their opinion. They also changed the templates at [[:File:American Broadcasting Company 2013 Logo.png]] and [[:File:NBC logo 2013.png]] on the same justification, asking for a Commons copy. However I've had issues in the past about logos just being declared PD, and this weekend a logo for [[Disney Junior]] was removed from Commons as a copyvio by Fastily there (I reuploaded it here locally with the hope it stays solely on EN); I disagree that most television network images should even be on Commons in the first place.
 
I'm asking if my action was proper and meets [[WP:NFCC]] for the removals, if Rreagan007 is appropriate in taking these logo images PD, and if the combined Broadcast-network-logos.jpg has any use here at all. Thank you. <font face="Myriad Web">'''[[User:Mrschimpf|<span style="color:royalblue4">Nate</span>]]''' <span style="color:dark blue">•</span> <small>''([[User_talk:Mrschimpf|<span style="color:darkgoldenrod">chatter</span>]])''</small></font> 07:01, 21 October 2013 (UTC)
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